JWTC interview with David Theo
Goldberg, Director of the University of California Humanities Research
Institute (UCHRI)continues…
The UCHRI, of which you are the Director, has initiated various
modalities of collaboration with nodes of critical thought in various parts of
the global South (Johannesburg, Beyrouth, Shanghai, Mexico). What is the
purpose of these collaborative endeavours and to what extent do they
differ from the old North-South models?
The question brings
together threads from my responses to the initial two questions. It has
long been the case, as Ann Stoler has repeatedly reminded us in her own work,
that metropolitan modernity--and what we now identify as the global north--has
been constitutively produced and constituted in significant part through
relational interaction with the colonies, and now the global south. We must
complicate this view by insisting that the global norths and souths (each is
plural) now more than ever find themselves in and through each other, stamping
deep, visible and not so visible, constitutive elements and conditions on the
making and remaking of each other. We cannot think and know ourselves without
thinking with and understanding the other, the global north in the global south
and the global south in the north. And engaged in this way, questions and
responses to these overlapping and interactive conditions of our time are posed
differently, provide insights, open up possibilities for thinking our world
critically that would not be available, which would remain obscure, but for
these ways of thinking productively, critically together. It is these conjoint,
intersecting modes of "living in a critical condition" which I think
demands this open and honest engagement together.
This is different than
even a decade ago when those from global north might be invited to China and
other sites to discuss the question of modernity, of modernization; to bring
the truth of the north to the south, when knowledge production would emulate
political and economic power and be overwhelmingly unidirectional, arrogant,
and ultimately close down as much as it opened up. It produced all sorts of
embarrassing expressions. Clearly the world has in many ways been turned
upside down. Thinking our overlapping and intersecting conditions together,
with, in and through all their unevenness, has become imperative. It entails a
very different set of dispositions, a modesty, an openness, different modes of
critical engagement, working out together what the themes will be, what
questions are productive, how to proceed critically, what modes of inquiry and
indeed experience and sensitivities are most productively revealing.
The title of the Platform you and Meg Samuelson have
crafted for the 2012 Session of the JWTC is Oceans|Islands|Littorals|Beaches.
Why do you think a critical analysis of these formations might tell us
something about the futures of nature in general?
Meg, to her credit, has
taken the lead on this. There is a small but growing body of work on oceans, a
longer if still small tradition focused on islands, and very little critical
work on littorals and beaches (I think of Mick Taussig's wonderful fictional essay
on the beach). Ocean and sea water make up something like 70 percent of the
earth's surface. Islands and their "clean" beaches have long
been these outposts of supposed civilization, exotic sites for modernity's
self-making or recreational excess. Today islands have assumed a doubled
importance. For one, they have become the sort of "canary in the coal
mine" of the effects of global warming. We see this most obviously in the
case of the Maldives, threatened literally (and perhaps littorally) with drowning.
Islands and beach coastlines are most vulnerable to these impacts. Oceans and
seas represent both effects of our lack of stewardship of nature and the
agentive intervention in response, interactive effect and cause. Attending to
these formations will reveal the critical conditions in which we find
ourselves: the brittleness of the food chain; the dramatically changing weather
patterns and devastating "natural" events (which now are deeply
"naturalcultural," as Donna Haraway has put it); the threat not just
to ways of life but to life itself on very large scales; the wastefulness of
those who have overwhelmingly at the expense of those who don't; the impacts on
futures and natures of work, ways of being in the world and on the world
itself; the signal of the range of vulnerabilities we face and the deep
relation of these vulnerabilities to each other across spaces, places, and
scales. It is so often the case that the least attended condition turns out to
be the most deeply revealing, and I think a focus on the earth's water surface,
which we have taken for granted for so long, bears this out.
In your view, can current debates on the futures of nature help
to refigure our understandings of the futures of race?
This is a terrifically
provocative way of posing the question. Across the long duree of
modernity until at least the mid-twentieth century, race was taken up variously
as either natural or naturalizing condition, as a condition of nature itself.
Critical work on race in the last quarter of the twentieth century came to
see race not just as social product but as helping to reveal how nature and
naturalizing processes were deeply culturally inflected and constituted.
So in one sense it could be said that Haraway's provocative formulation of
"naturculture" comes out of these insights about race, sex, and
gender, about their co-constituting natural-cultural condition. Nature is
constitutively culturalized and culture likewise naturalized. At the same time,
to some degree the deeply cultural focus on racial makings and workings lost
sight of its naturalizing condition. Race and nature, as conceptions, are thus
deeply tied up with each other, the one revealing of features of the other.
Thinking about the futures of nature--not just its cultural
constructedness but what forms nature will assume, what worlds it gives rise
to, what potentialities it opens up and what it closes down, how all of this is
connected to political economy as both cause and effect, and so on--all of this
cannot but help have an impact, is already having an impact, on how we think or
ought to be thinking about the racial, about race-making and its possibilities
and what it closes down, about the significance and limits of postraciality and
the work the notion of "the postracial" performs as racial condition,
and how all of this is related, as cause and effect, to political economy as
well as to the postcolonial and the postcolony.
There
is no doubt we live in interesting times, as the Chinese proverb exhorts. What
the proverbs silently hints at is that the most interesting of times are likely
also the most unsettled and unsettling, and so too also the most troubling and
challenging. The challenge of critical theory today, as it has generally been
in times past, is to rise to the occasion of comprehending and so possibly
helping to work out what it means to intervene productively in the troubling
times we face today.
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